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Oil thoughts with the Rotax

Postby scubarider2 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:31 pm

Just wanted to get some thoughts on the oil preferences out there.  I am using Yamaha motorcycle oil but have been looking at Mobil 1 MX4T.  Any suggestions out there???  :?:   I do plan on using mostly mogas but doing those extended trips will have to go with the 100LL.  I know about the semi versus full synethic.  My plan is to do regular oil changes at 25hours so either should be fine.  So whatcha think  :?:
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Postby DaveU » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:13 pm

I paid more for this engine (912uls) than I have paid for any entire vehicle I have owned.  The only thing that I paid more for is a house.

I am using the best oil I can find, and I believe that is the Mobil 1 racing 4T (formerly known as MX-4T).  I want the protection of full synthetic, and the fact that it is good for 50 hours of flight is nice.  I see no reason to change it more often than 50 hours, unless you are running a good percentage of 100LL.  On straight mogas, no reason to change sooner.

That is my thoughts on the oil issue.

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can't find it

Postby scubarider2 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:05 pm

Ok....so thinking about going with the Mobil and now can't find it anywhere.  Looked and called at all the motorcycle places...auto stores....hmmmmm :?
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Postby jak » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:07 pm

Hi all,   On oil the synthetics are by far and away better than any carbon based oil but don't try breaking the eng. in on it because it wont. The syn oil is so slick the eng. won't break in the rings won't seat, so you need to use a mineral oil for break in then switch.  The down side is the syn oil is about three times more when you go to buy it. I have been involved in lab test comparing mobile one  vs/ several different carbon based oils. There was no comparison with the end results. the mobile showed 0% wear over our test period and all the carbon oils (three of them) had significant wear. It  really was incredible. I have been using Mobile one ever since in all I own.   Jak
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Postby DaveU » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:44 pm

I am speaking only of the Rotax 912 uls here.  There is no need for a "break in oil".  The engine can be operated right from the get go with synthetic oils.  The break in oil is typically used with the aircooled engines where there is a need for the rings to seat.  Not a factor on the rotax cylinders.

I have not heard the Lockwood folks or any other recommend a different oil for the first hours.

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Postby DaveU » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:50 pm

On the topic of locating the oil.  I was able to find it at the local Yamaha shop, but at a significantly higher price.  I was able to buy it by the case (6 quarts) from a wholesale Oil distributor.  Check the yellow pages for Oils-Fuels.  Then call a couple for the one that has the product.    Or just go to the nearest local service station and see where which wholesaler they purchase oil from.  The local Napa (national airplane Parts Association) store can probably get it for you.

Hope that works.  There is one type of the mobil 1 v-twin oil in a 20w-50 that Lockwood recommends.  Check with them for the exact oil.  All of the Harley people out there make that a little more available.

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Postby billy5823 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:11 pm

dennis you just didnt ask the right bike shop, i can get you all you want. it is about 14 bucks a court. be glad to ship you some or you can fly that new bird into my strip and pick it up, would love to see it . billy                                                      p.s. mine should be testing possible next weekend. waiting on exhaust. 7 month build time if i make it by end of month .                  i am also pretty fond of the bel ray products
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Postby alan » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:16 pm

Bel-Ray semi-synthetic 10w-40 is what I use. You can't use full synthetic if you use avgas at all. The lead is not disolved in the oil and just floats around in chunks until it plugs something up.

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found it

Postby scubarider2 » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:36 pm

Thanks everyone again.  I did find some...expensive at $13.50 per quart.  Bought 12 so should last awhile  :shock:
You CAN use full synthetic with 100LL but you need to do oil changes at 25 hours instead of 50 according to the manual.  I will try and not use any 100LL but there are times you have to fill up at airports.  
I read on the internet that the Mobile 1 V-Twin oil is questionable due to additives for the gears.  I just did a search and found one article that had those concerns.
Billy, I would love to fly up your way.  Maybe real soon.  Or better yet you fly here in YOUR new bird.  :P
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Rotax recommended

Postby Tazz » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:38 am

If I were to make a suggestion on oils, use what Rotax recommends. Service instruction SI-912-016 and SI-914-019 (same instructions, available on-line on the Rotax website) is very comprehensive and informative. From attending the Rotax service school I was quite impressed with the research Rotax has done on putting together a list of recommended oils. I also learned Rotax is working with Shell to hopefully develope a new blend of oil that will work with 100LL allowing longer run times between oil changes. If this comes to be, they said it would apprear in a service instruction release, so check for new SI releases.
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Postby n570k » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:20 pm

Go to WalMart for your Mobil One MX4T about $8 a qt. While you're at it pick up a ST3614 oil filter for less than $3.
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Postby DaveU » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:01 pm

If you can not find the Mobil 1, racing 4T locally, I found this site, price is a little under $10 per quart, shipping included.

http://www.eliteetc.com/mo1mx10shin.html

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25 hours

Postby scubarider2 » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:39 am

Well I have finally put 25 hours on the plane and will be doing an oil change with Mobil 1.  My plan is to do oil changes every 50 hrs when using auto fuel, if I have to use 100LL then will change at 25 hrs.  I have the long list of duties for the 25 hr both on the plane and engine.  Will be my first time..  :shock:   Can't wait to work on it again.  8)
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Shell oil

Postby Tazz » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:24 am

The much awaited new engine oil is approved. Rotax just released a new version of SI-912-016/SI-914-019. This is the instruction covering operating fluids. It covers the new Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 oil which was formulated for use with mogas or avgas.
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Postby stede52 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:09 am

the Oil Store, http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/aesppl412li.html, sells it by the case, (12 one liter bottles) for $55. The shipping on two cases if $43 to my place :(

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