Offset control sticks

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Offset control sticks

Postby danerazz » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:22 pm

Just curious, as I have no real time in a highlander, how many people have modified their control sticks so they are "offset" with a dogleg in the stick? Have seen a few pictures where this was done and am just wondering how the ergonomics are working out.
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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby taildrgfun » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:22 pm

I offset mine back 2" on both of my Highlanders and like it real well.
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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby Dave Krall CFII SEL SES » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:16 pm

On the pilot's side we fabricated a compound, double grip with spliced "Y" sticks that looks strange to the uninformed but, works perfectly for a couple reasons:

One grip is high and gives a longer lever arm which makes for super smooth high speed operations on ROUGH water step work when the pilot is typically sitting straight up for max visibility.

The other is standard length and raked back ~2" which is more comfortable to reach when sitting back more in the adjustable seat back such as for cruise, and it is wired with the PTT, trim, and some other controls on it.

The passenger side has a rotatable stick of standard length, with all the above contols wired in and with ~2" offest that can be raked back as is typical, or rotated 180 degrees so it's raked forward for large-girth pilots.

Actually, even to the well informed, the split-stick still looks strange....
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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby rmullins » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:39 pm

I did it. I originally flew with them straight and it was just a little too much reach to be comfortable after a while
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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby scubarider2 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:23 pm

I did the same as Rick
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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby SheepdogRD » Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:30 pm

Dave Krall CFII SEL SES wrote: . . . in the adjustable seat back . . .

Hmmmm -- adjustable seat back? Sounds good -- what seats have you installed?
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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby Dave Krall CFII SEL SES » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:24 am

SheepdogRD wrote:
Dave Krall CFII SEL SES wrote: . . . in the adjustable seat back . . .

Hmmmm -- adjustable seat back? Sounds good -- what seats have you installed?


I customized the standard seats to have 3 seatback position angles plus also fully reclining and quickly removable for adjustable camp chairs as well.

Cold-sawed off the seatback gussets flush and reinforced the existing seat tubes internally with 5" sections of solid aluminum rod both in the seat backs and seat bottoms. These reinforced areas accept lightweight brass chains on each side, with the loops of the last few links going over a bolthead sticking out the side of the seat where the reinforcing rods are placed internally, with the bolts going through the bolt holes drilled straight through both the seat tubes and rods inside. You pick the last link for almost fully reclined and work your way up to fully upright if desired, slipping the appropriate link over the bolthead on each side.

The complete removal of the gussets allow fully forward seat back folding while providing a flat surface for a mattress, with no gussets sticking up.

It is not possible to get the seat adjustability of a typical car seat in a car seat configuration AND their strength without excessive weight, so we went with this method, which gives us the high strength we need and light weight.
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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby jjacky » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:08 am

Great Idea Dave, Can you post a picture and some dimensions?
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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby Dave Krall CFII SEL SES » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:30 pm

jjacky wrote:Great Idea Dave, Can you post a picture and some dimensions?


Dimensions? They're the same standard seats that come with the kit.

One brass seat chain can be seen here attached forward of the seat belt bolt, in the 3rd PIX in this old post:

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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby JackLeroux » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:07 am

I offset mine using the aluminum provided with the kit. I started to polish the sticks on the weekend and they look pretty good.

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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby taildrgfun » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:27 pm

Jack that is exactly how I did mine.
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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby bluemax » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:49 am

Well. . . off-setting the joystick works well for you "flat-bellies". But for those of us that carry a bit of a contour in the belly area, I'll stick with the straight stick. Thank God my arms aren't short !
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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby danerazz » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:45 am

HA!
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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby helmetfire » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:28 pm

Here's how I did mine. I followed JackLeroux's measurements and built a little jig to keep things identical...ended up with 1.5" offset...seems good for now, I'll know for sure after a few hours of flight time...whenever that might be 8 :lol:

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Re: Offset control sticks

Postby Trilander Ted » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:11 pm

My solution for the pilot comfort "control stick" was to buy two Kitfox mandrel bent units and cut and shape, then weld, which will give the most pleasent "wrist action". I installed a right and left fighter plane type "grips" on the approiate side that relaxes my wrist and arm for either side. The upper most part of the "stick" ends up almost the same position as the stright aluminum tube. Also note that the seat "footprint" has been enlarged "for fanny flotation". I have three diferent one inch layers of foam, blue, green and pink density for great support. This means I sit higher than some Just A/C seat cushions. I'm about six foot and like 4 notches back and have two inches of foam ( green & blue ) that make the seat back "just rite". I'm still happy with the results after seven years and almost 1000HRS.
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