Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
- Tralika
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Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
I was looking at a friends Super STOL recently and I noticed his stainless firewall seemed to be made of thinner material than what came with my kit. His kit was produced a few years ago, my Highlander kit is a bit older, produced in 2009. I wasn't able to measure the thickness of his firewall because it was mounted, with the engine, on his airframe. If anyone has a kit produced in the last few years that hasn't mounted the the stock stainless firewall yet, could you measure the thickness for me. I'm curious if they have gone to a thinner material. Mine is .032". I ended up using titanium and saved about four pounds over the stainless.
John Nealon
Wasilla, Alaska
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- BucF16
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
What titanium thickness was yours?
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
Can’t find it immediately, but mine is .018” ss, I had found a spec showing that met adequate fire protection
Dane
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
My titanium firewall is .020. It's available from McCaster-Carr for about $165BucF16 wrote:What titanium thickness was yours?
John Nealon
Wasilla, Alaska
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
Dane
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- Tralika
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
.018 seems about right. Like I said, the firewall that came with my kit is .032 and I could tell the one I was looking at on the Super STOL was quite a bit thinner. Someone might want to check my math but I have in my notes that the .032 stainless weighs 1.1 lb/sf. The .018 stainless should weigh 60% of that or .66 lb/sf . The firewall blank is 24" X 31.4" or about 5.25 sf. So the new stainless firewall blank should weigh 3.46 lbs compared to the titanium blank which should weigh 1.97 lb (.375 lb/sf), a savings of about 1.49 lb or 23.8 ounces. The titanium costs about $165 from McMaster-Carr so that comes out to about $6.92 per ounce saved. It would be a little less if you did not order the stainless firewall blank with your kit. Also, the finished firewall is slightly smaller because you trim off the top of the blank to fit the bottom of the rounded boot cowl. Whether saving weight is worth over $7 and ounce (don't forget the shipping) is a personal decision. If my math is off let me know, I'll try again later this evening after I've had a couple of beers. That should make it easier.
John Nealon
Wasilla, Alaska
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
.032 stainless in my kit too
So Titanium for me.
So Titanium for me.
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N331AK. Shawn Taplin
Wing extensions,Symetrical Airfoil tail ribs (NACA 21)
Mods in progress: Heavier struts, Double slotted flaps
Goal: 15mph no wind
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
Thank you all! It is amazing how many items I’ve Upgraded from the original kit.
Cheers Bruce
Cheers Bruce
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
Hi guys I’m new here, I live in Dawson Creek, BC, Canada, just got my kit, i called today looking for Titanium and had no luck, so I’m glad I stumbled onto this. Is there anywhere else on the build it could be used? How hard is it to drill?...what drill bit is needed to drill Titanium? How is Titanium for cutting ? And what do you cut Titanium with?
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
The titanium was not hard to work. I cut it with a pair of big tin snips. I was able to roll the bottom edge over a dowel to make a slight curve that fits around the the bottom piece of airframe tubing. I drilled it with standard hardened drill bits. Easier to work than the .032 stainless that came with the kit. My titanium blank is .020. You could go as thin as .016, that is the thinnest approved by the FAA for certified aircraft.
John Nealon
Wasilla, Alaska
Highlander Extreme #191
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Wasilla, Alaska
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- BucF16
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
I got my .020 Titanium firewall this week. My Harbor Freight shear made easy work sizing it to fit. Next question. What type drill bits did you all use? Your normal carbide jobber and titanium step drill bits? I have looked up that you should use high speed.
Also when you cut your firewall to fit the boot cowl, what tool is best?
Thanks
Bruce
Also when you cut your firewall to fit the boot cowl, what tool is best?
Thanks
Bruce
Bruce Johnson Highlander # 393
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"Because I fly, I envy no man on Earth"
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- Tralika
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
I used plain old carbide drill bits, probably Craftsman. I don't remember if I used a step drill but I'm sure it would work fine. I used the specialized titanium cutters seen in the photo that I found about half way down the tin snip bin at the used tool store. Honest, the .020 titanium is easy to work. Just cut it like you would a piece of aluminum. Rough cut to within a quarter inch or so of your line. Then cut again for your finish cut. If you have already cut it to fit the firewall try some test drill and cuts on the scrap.
John
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John Nealon
Wasilla, Alaska
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
Thanks John! I'll practice with my large aircraft shears.
Cheers
Cheers
Bruce Johnson Highlander # 393
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- CanadianSheepHunter
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
I weighed my Just Aircraft Stainless firewall with a digital fish scale yesterday it’s 24” x 31 1/4” and 0.024” and 5 lb 3 oz, my Titanium I got from the link on this topic from McMaster Carr, it’s 24” x 36” and 0.020” and 2 lb 14 oz, very glad I bought it, but it will be a while before I work with it.
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Re: Stainless Steel Firewall Thickness
Weighed the titanium today with digital fish scale, it’s the bottom piece it’s 24” x 36” and 2 lb 14 oz, the Just Aircraft Stainless firewall is on top it’s 24” x 31 1/4” and 5 lb 3 oz
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